Les tensions entre Russie et Kazakhstan au sujet de Baïkonour

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Les difficultés s'ammoncellent pour la Russie à Baïkonour.

Le Kazakhstan n'autorise en effet que 12 lancements de protons en 2013 contre 19 demandés. Les lancements vers le Nord sont interdits (donc le lancement de Rssources-P totalement ajourné)...

Plus de lancements ne pourraient être acceptés que dans le cadre d'une nouvelle négociation intergouvernementale ce qui prendra inévitablement du temps.

La Russie du coup menace de ne payer qu'une partie de sa location de Baïkonour à proportion du nombre de lancements autorisés par rapport à ceux demandés.

Un vrai danger pour les entreprises telles que Khrunitchev qui ne peuvent lancer les protons que depuis Baïkonour.

Commentaire: on se demande bien quel jeu joue le Kazakhstan. Qu'ils veulent obtenir plus de la Russie on peut le comprendre mais mettre en danger l'industrie spatiale russe ne peut que conduire à accélérer la mise en place de Vostochny et le transfert de tous les lancements vers ce comsodrome. Les Kazakh doivent se dépêcher: ils ne leur reste que 5 ans s'ils veulent tirer profit de la situation, après il sera trop tard. On comprend un peu mieux pourquoi il revient sans cesse dans les déclarations russes la nécessité d'assurer un accès à l'espace indépendant.

19.01.2013 Kazakhstan to undermine Russian plans to launch a "proton" Russia threatens to underpay for rent

Due to the restrictive actions of Kazakhstan, to allow Russia to perform in 2013 from the Baikonur Cosmodrome only 12 carrier rockets "Proton-M" instead of the 17 requested, Moscow may require renegotiation of lease Baikonur, "Interfax" referring to a source in the Russian rocket and space industry.

Moreover, as the Republic of starts was two less than what was agreed by Kazakhstan in 2012. In response, Russia may proportionately reduce funds that are received each year Kazakhstan as rent of $ 115 million. In other words, the rent can be linked to the extent to Baikonur their functions.

"The Russian side is to meet Kazakhstan and gradually reduces emissions from rockets," - said the official. He reminded that the environmental problems of the Kazakhstan side motivates its intention to reduce the number of starts "Proton". In particular, Russia has conducted an expensive upgrade "Protons" up to "Proton-M", has completely stopped launches heptyl rocket "Cyclone-2" and the RS-20. "

The source said the "get" starts "Proton" with the Russian cosmodrome Plesetsk not work. "There are things that can be run only from Baikonur - the source. - In the Plesetsk launch site under no rocket" Proton ", quoted by ITAR-TASS.

According to the source, if everything remains as is, the reduction will affect primarily commercial launches. He explained that as a result of such measures, Russian launchers operators will have to pay substantial penalties for non-compliance of international obligations, and it will be the equivalent of bankruptcy. As a result, the credibility of Russia as a space power will be seriously affected.

"Apparently, the agreement in this regard the parties soon not be reached," - expert predicts. "In the space relationship between the two countries is growing tension with the current situation with the agreement only exacerbates the contradictions", - he said.

http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/news/4379/

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Ca ne s'arrange pas avec le Kazakhstan... La Russie brandit la menace de ne plus coopérer avec la Kazakhstan si il ne revient pas sur sa décision de limiter les tirs de fusées depuis Baïkonour.

Sans doute n'est-ce qu'une menace en vue des prochaines discussions mais quand même.

01/24/2013 Russia has threatened to turn Kazakhstan joint space projects - media

Russia and Kazakhstan can stop working on all the joint projects in the field because of the limited space launches of Russian rockets from "Baikonur", wrote on Thursday the newspaper "Izvestia", with reference to an official note to the Russian Foreign Ministry, RIA Novosti reported.

The Government of Kazakhstan approved a previously Russia plans to launch a spacecraft and missile test launches from the Baikonur "cosmodrome" in 2013. The number of launches rocket "Proton-M" for space launches in 2013 was reduced to 12 (from 14 in 2012.) In addition, it is assumed that the launches of spacecraft with a new impact area separating parts of rockets such as "Union" shall be allowed only after the signing of the treaty.

The newspaper said the Russian Foreign Ministry sent an official note to the Kazakh side (copy in possession of "News") on the situation with the cosmodrome "Baikonur". The document contains a list of measures that are ready to go to Russia if Kazakhstan does not reverse its decision to limit the rocket launches from the Baikonur "cosmodrome".

"In this situation, Russia will be forced to reconsider whether to continue bilateral cooperation on joint projects, including the program" Dnepr "joint project" Baiterek "considering plans to translate it into a booster" Zenith "and several other" - the document says.

http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/news/4429/

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Suite du feuilleton: l'avis un observateur. Cela va remonter au niveau des Présidents et la Kazakhstan devra accepter plus de lancements car il a besoin de sa particpation dans le programme "Dniepr" ou le projet "Baïterek".

24.01.2013 Kazakhstan Russia may return the required number of launches from Baikonur

Kazakhstan is likely that Russia will return the number of launches from the Baikonur Cosmodrome, which was originally announced by the Russian side, as Kazakhstan is disadvantageous to lose part in joint projects with Russia "Baiterek" and "Dnepr", the expert in the space industry.

Several media outlets reported on Thursday that Russia and Kazakhstan can stop working on all joint projects in the field because of the limited space launches of Russian rockets from Baikonur. The note said that in the current situation, Russia will reconsider its position on the continuation of bilateral cooperation on joint projects, including the program "Dnepr" joint project "Baiterek".

Earlier, the Government of Kazakhstan approved a plan for Russian space launches and test missile launches from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in 2013. The number of launches rocket "Proton-M" for space launches in 2013 was reduced to 12 (from 14 in 2012.) Russia planned to make this year's 17 launches.

"Kazakhstan is likely to return the number of start-ups, which was originally claimed by Russia. We are not so important Kazakhstan's participation in these projects (" Baiterek "," Dnepr "), but the Kazakhs of these projects are very important and necessary. Rather, Kazakhstan will meet the Russian side and return the original number of starts ", - the expert said RIA Novosti.

However, in his opinion, judging by the way the situation is developing, it is difficult to imagine how it will develop further. "I think that, in the end, this situation will reach the level of presidents of Russia and Kazakhstan, and the parties agree. But before that can exchange all kinds of" compliments ", particularly in the form of diplomatic notes," - said the official.

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Selon cette article de presse la Russie et le Kazakhstan réfutent les allégations de désaccord entre les deux parties.

La Russie et le Kazakhstan vont renforcer leurs relations de coopération, ont déclaré vendredi les ministres des Affaires étrangères des deux pays, niant des rapports faisant état des désaccords sur un centre spatial au Kazakhstan.

Astana et Moscou sont en train de préparer un nouveau traité d'amitié qui placerait les relations bilatérales à un niveau plus élevé « dans toutes les directions», a déclaré le ministre kazakh des Affaires étrangères Erlan Idrisov, en visite à Moscou.

M. Idrisov et son hôte, Sergueï Lavrov, ont également démenti les informations selon lesquelles les deux pays ont été en désaccord sur le centre spatial de Baïkonour que la Russie loue au Kazakhstan.

Plus tôt, Astana a officiellement informé Moscou qu'il doit diminuer les lancements de fusées Proton depuis Baïkonour de 17 à 12 fois cette année, invoquant des préoccupations environnementales.

M. Lavrov a exhorté les médias à « ne pas faire une montagne de rien » et a dit qu'il ne savait pas comment cette information a été divulguée dans les médias.

« Je ne parlerais pas de désaccord. C'est une situation de travail", a-t-il affirmé, ajoutant que la Russie a fait tout son possible pour améliorer la sécurité écologique du son lanceur.

En octobre 2012, l'Agence spatiale fédérale russe Roscosmos a déclaré qu'elle envisage de mettre à niveau le le lanceur de fusée Proton pour les prochains lancements.

http://french.peopledaily.com.cn/International/8108855.html

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Une petite anecdote. Lors d'un voyage de presse ESA vers Baïkonour pour le lancement de Venus Express (novembre 2005), notre avion Moscou-Baïkonour est resté bloqué à l'aéroport de Moscou une heure sur le tarmac. Un passager m'a dit que c'était juste les autorités du Kazakhstan qui faisait un petit blocage de principe pour rappeler que ce "morceau de russie" était chez eux... ;)

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Suite, suite...

Une visite du vice premier ministre kazakh sur 5 jours en Russie. Au menu l'intégration "eurasique" mais aussi les problèmes autour de Baïkonour. Cette visite était prévue de longue date. Selon le ministre des affaires étrangères kazakh les désaccords entre le Kazakhstan et la Russie ne doivent pas être exagérés et il n'y a pas de détériorations des relations entre les deux pays.

26/01/2013 Co-Chair of Baikonur from Kazakhstan to visit Russia January 30

Co-chair of the intergovernmental commission on Baikonur from Kazakhstan Kairat Kelimbetov arrive on January 30 in Russia to discuss Eurasian integration and the situation around the spaceport, said at the Foreign Minister of Kazakhstan Yerlan Idrisov.

"In five days, here comes the vice-premier Kelimbetov, who is co-chairman of Baikonur on our part. He arrives to discuss a range of issues, foremost of which are the issues of our cooperation in the Eurasian economic integration in the Eurasian Economic Commission, and, of course They will discuss issues on Baikonur "- said Idrisov.

He emphasized that the visit of Kazakh Deputy Prime Minister on January 30 is not urgent action to be taken in connection with the scandal around Baikonur, and was planned long ago. The minister noted that the value of disagreement Baikonur not be exaggerated, since Baikonur - the common heritage of Moscow and Astana and any deterioration in relations between the two countries has not occurred.

"We agreed with Sergei Viktorovich (Lavrov) remove rush to the topic and apply it in the working channel," - said the head of the Kazakh Foreign Ministry, RIA Novosti reported.

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Le cabinet russe a mis-au-point un projet d'agrément entre Russie et Kazakhstan concernant de nouvelles zones de chute des étages de fusée qui sera proposé à la commission bipartite devant en discuter. Cette question est l'un des points de friction entre Moscou et Astana. La Russie paierait 460 000 $ par an pour ces zones.

01/30/2013 Russia and Kazakhstan agreed on areas falling rocket parts

Russian Cabinet approved a draft agreement with Kazakhstan on the use of state land in the fall of residuals missiles launched from Baikonur, a document posted Wednesday on the official website of legal information.

According to the agreement, the Russian Party shall, within 30 days after starting to report to Kazakhstan on the state of the environment. Charges for the use of the impact area is set at 460,000 dollars a year.

The impact area identified areas in Aktobe and Kostanai regions of Kazakhstan, according to the draft agreement.

The government instructed the Foreign Ministry and the Russian Space Agency to hold talks with the Kazakh side and reaching agreements to sign this agreement.

http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/news/4495/

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La Russie n'a pas l'intention de mettre fin à la coopération spatiale avec le Kazakhstan a déclaré l'ambassadeur russe à Astana. Les choses changent et c'est pourquoi il y a une nouvelle commission entre les deux partenaires pour discuter des nouvelles conditions. Mais le projet Baïterek n'est pas abandonné, il va seulement être modifié avec un nouveau lanceur.

31/01/2013 Russia does not intend to curtail cooperation with Astana in space RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/science/20130131/920601019.html # ixzz2JXuSL200

Russia has no plans to curtail cooperation with Kazakhstan in the space industry, said Russian Ambassador to the Republic Mikhail Bocharnikov.

"Minimize cooperation with Kazakhstan in the field of space we will not, despite the fact that we create space center East. Agreement with Kazakhstan on joint use of Baikonur calculated 2050. And Russia has no reason to refuse it," - the diplomat said in an interview with the newspaper " Evening Almaty ", published on Thursday.

According to him, "Kazakhstan is not going to make any sudden movements, as measured by the speech of the Deputy Prime Minister Kairat Kelimbetov in the official media of Kazakhstan."

"Something has changed, correct - is another matter. Because life goes on, it goes forward. Therefore, a new intergovernmental commission. As for specific details too early for obvious reasons: the Commission has just started to work," - he stressed.

According to the ambassador, will adjust the program of space cooperation "Baiterek". Rather, you select a different type of carrier rocket, RIA Novosti reported

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La Russie est prête à réduire ses lancements de Proton depuis Baïkonour à partir de 2016. Mais cela ne peut être décidé unilatéralement a indiqué Popovkhine.

Since 2016 Russia can reduce carrier rockets "Proton" from Baikonur - Roscosmos head
Since 2016 Russia can reduce launch vehicles

MOSCOW, January 29. (ARMS-TASS). Since 2016 Russia can reduce carrier rockets "Proton" from the Baikonur Cosmodrome, told reporters the head of Roscosmos, Vladimir Popovkin.

"We are ready to find this feature from 2016, but it should not be decided in a unilateral manner, and in the course of negotiations," - said he declared the decision of the Kazakh side to reduce the number of starts of "Proton" in 2013 from 17 to 12.

"This week will be a meeting of the working group in Russia and Kazakhstan on the issue," - said Popovkin.

Last week, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov held talks with his Kazakh counterpart Yerlan Idrisov. One of the topics of discussion on them was just a question of the Baikonur Cosmodrome, in particular, the direction of the Russian Foreign Ministry notes of Kazakhstan in connection with a plan to reduce the quota for launches, like ITAR-TASS.

"I would not speak of any special importance in our musical correspondence with the extent of cooperation between the two countries, including in space," - then the Russian minister said, adding that the launch site is a priority in bilateral relations. According to him, it is only natural that questions arise when it comes to such a huge economic mechanism. "There were questions about the number of start-ups, including the concerns of Kazakhstan environmental consequences of these processes," - said the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry and assured that the Russian side is doing everything possible to solve this problem. "We are not the first co-ordinate the number of starts - this is not a sensational moment - he continued. - Presidents understand the need to address all these situations, and they decided to create an independent intergovernmental commission, which the Russian side is headed by Igor Shuvalov." "We agreed to proceed from the need to continue to work constructively on a range of issues associated with the use of Baikonur, guided by instructions of the president and the decisions that are developed in conjunction with government and space agencies," - said the head of the Russian dipvedomstva.

Agreed with him and Yerlan Idrisov. "There is no scandal, no sensation is not here," - said the head of the Kazakh Foreign Ministry.

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Les problèmes paraissent bien réels et ne datent d'ailleurs pas d'hier.
Il y a des phases plus "critiques" ... et souvent un arrangement financier à la clef.
mais il parait assez évident que la Russie souhaite se retirer cette épine du pied en construisant le cosmodrome de Vostochny, et en accélérant si possible la transition de l'ancienne Proton polluante vers la nouvelle Angara qui pourra être tirée de Plestetsk puis Vostochny.

J'ai comme un doute que le projet Baîterek ressorte "avec un nouveau lanceur". Continuer à en discuter peut être un moyen de ménager la chèvre et le chou pour la Russie dans ses relations avec le Kazakhstan, mais celui-ci à trop tirer sur la ficelle (menaces puis exigence d'une contrepartie financière) risque de se retrouver seulement avec des Zénith (lanceur ukrainien) .... à tirer pour Land Launch. (dont la santé de la société est plutôt chancelante)

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Ils ont trouvé une solution acceptable par les deux parties sur l'utilisation de Baïkonour (On n'en doutait pas vraiment...) mais pas de détail sur l'accord.

09/02/2013 Russia and Kazakhstan have found a solution in the use of Baikonur

The presidents of Russia and Kazakhstan Vladimir Putin and Nursultan Nazarbayev at a meeting in the Kremlin on Friday stated that the experts of the two countries and the heads of the relevant departments find mutually acceptable solutions to the use of the Baikonur Cosmodrome, RIA Novosti reported

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Deux nouvelles liées qui confirment que l'accord de 1994 sur la location de Baïkonour par la Russie va être rediscuté au cours de l'année 2013.
Un gros travail de négociation et de rédaction légale va être entrepris.

Sera dans ce nouvel accord toutes les questions en suspens. Et on va aller vers des accords sur les lancements non plus sur 1 an mais sur 3 ans ou plus pour éviter les à coups. Egalement le projet Baïterek va être modifié pour prendre en compte le changement de lanceur. On aura problement une exploitation tripartite, comme pour Dniepr, avec La Russie, le Kazakhstan et sans doute l'Ukraine.

Enfin la disparition de la Proton de Baïkonour sera programmée progressivement pour des raisons écologiques et sans doute en phase avec les essais et la mise en exploitation de l'Angara à Plesetsk (et forcément à Vostochny?).

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J'ai comme l'impression que les discussions vont être "âpres" et la rédaction des paragraphes "au millimètre".

Mais il vaudrait mieux que cela débouche sur un accord pérenne, car la situation est difficile à gérer pour la Russie dans une phase de transition qui va encore durer longtemps (avant la disponibilité réelle de Vostochny, mais aussi celle des lanceurs Angara)

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La première réunion de la commission revivifiée Russie-Kazakhstan pour l'utilisation de Baïkonour s'est tenue à l'occasion du lancement de Soyouz TMA-08M, en présence d'Igor Shuvalov, le premier vice-premier ministre russe. De cette réunion il est sorti la décision que le plan de lancements pour 2014-2015 accepté par les Kazakhs soit connu d'ici au premier septembre. Les russes ont demandé que si cela était possible, ce soit même connu un peu plus tôt pour éviter toutes spéculations à ce sujet.

28/03/2013 Chart launches from Baikonur for 2014-2015. will be approved until September

Schedule of space launches from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in 2014-2015 will be determined prior to September 1, the schedule starts this year approved, told reporters Thursday the First Vice Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov, in the first meeting of the reconstituted Russian-Kazakh intergovernmental commission on the use of complex " Baikonur "(the complex includes the Baikonur Cosmodrome and the eponymous city).

"We agreed that in 2014-2015, the number of starts, which will be agreed with the Kazakh side, this work will be made before 1 September (this year)," - said Shuvalov.

According to him, the Russian side has also asked the Kazakh side, if possible agree on the number of starts from Baikonur little earlier, so that did not arise then unnecessary rumors and speculation on this subject, according to RIA Novosti.

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