Re: Cosmodrome de Vostotchniy

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Réunion au sommet pour le cosmodrome Vostochny. En fait peu d'infos. La principale étant que les choses avancent. Clairement le projet prend réellement forme. En gros la fin de 2010 et 2011 seront consacrés aux "formalités" et les travaux réels commenceront en 2012. En pratique ces jours-ci rencontre avec les habitants du lieu pour discuter des effets sur l'environnement.

In the Amur are specialists Roskosmos, Spetsstroy Russia and other agencies engaged in the project to create a spaceport "Eastern"
:: 16.06.2010

In the Amur region received large working group, which included representatives of the Russian Space Agency, Russia Spetsstroy, FGUP TsNIIMASH, JSC Ipromashprom (general designer of the future spaceport, FGUP Spetsstroysvyaz, JSC Mospromtransproekt and other organizations participating in the project to create a "East." guests will stay at the Amur land until June 21.

Specialists will participate in public hearings, which will be held tomorrow in the Closed Uglegorsk. The public is going to discuss three major issues - sub-project "Establishment of providing infrastructure spaceport" East "; materials to assess the impact on the environment during testing and operation of launch vehicle, transfer of land. At the public hearing and invited residents Svobodnenskogo Szymanowski areas. The event starts at 11 am in the Officers' House.
And today, 16 June, held a meeting in which the discussed organization works for the engineering survey for the plan this year. We attended the Minister for the construction of the cosmodrome "Eastern" Constantine Chmarov, representatives of regional ministries and agencies, as well as specialists Amur offices RTN, Rosprirodnadzor, Rospotrebnadzor.
The current mission of Moscow specialists in the Amur region has three main objectives. In addition to conducting public hearings, which are necessary for the execution of documents on environmental impact assessment, to solve several problems in order to start the design of linear objects providing infrastructure Baikonur in 2010. And also need to identify with the regional structures of the order of transfer of land Roscosmos.
Assistant Director General of JSC "IPROMASHPROM" Leonard Taput voiced at what stage today are pre-survey. Huge work. Together with the numerous design institutes established technology to ensure the site where the facility will be based spaceport, complete list of buildings and structures. They will be more than 300, ranging from the launch complex, ending with small engineering objects. Worked over the main technological solutions, prepared by the real ground for the deployment of further work, worked out the preliminary estimates of local and object upcoming expenses. "We reported to Roskosmos that this phase of the work is completed. And now we begin by preparing the project documentation. Then it will be transferred to the general contractor - Spetsstroy Russia, and begin the practical construction work. Since 2012 provided funding for the actual construction of the cosmodrome "East" in the amount of 14 billion rubles for the federal space program ", - said Leonard Taput.
This year will be made on designing a simple linear features, which include the power supply system, road and railway station ice to one of the sites, as well as the basic building an industrial base in the operational area Uglegorsk. This is the main task for 2010. Design documentation for linear objects must be fully developed by November so that it could be the end of the year to allocate to Glavgosekspertizu for a positive conclusion. In this case, in 2011 developed a range of working documents for the objects. According to the plans in the 4 quarter of next year's general contractor can proceed with the deployment and arrangement for the start of concrete construction. In addition, in 2011, JSC "IPROMASHPROM" initiate the development of project documents for the launch facility and a number of assembly and test cases for the preparation of carrier rocket.

http://www.roscosmos.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=11181

La version anglaise donnée par Roscosmos:

Representatives of Roscosmos, companies of the industry, Russian Construction Ministry and other authorities and companies arrived at Arum region to take part in the public hearing in the city of Uglegorsk, which had been picked as a place for the future Russian space port Vostochny.
The hearing will cover several major topics. Among them, there are: development of the Vostochny support infrastructure, environmental impact of the rocket launches, land usage, etc. The hearing is to take place tomorrow.
Today, on June 16, Vostochny construction minister K. Chmarov and representatives of local environmental control and other authorities discussed engineering research efforts to be carried out this year under the project.
In addition to the public hearing, the experts from Moscow will also deal with the set of objectives aimed at future design of the space port linear infrastructure in 2010. In addition, it is necessary to define the order of transferring lands to Roscosmos.
Somewhat 300 sites have been selected for the space port, including the launch pads and small buildings. Together with the mapping for Vostochny, the pre-design stage is considered completed. Now design documents are to be prepared and submitted to Russian Construction Ministry for further construction. Russian Federal Space Program implies investments of 14 billion rubles, effective 2012.
The main task of this year is to design simple linear objects, including power lines, automobile road and railways.
Roscosmos Head Anatoly Perminov stated earlier that the maiden launch from Vostochny would take place in 2015, with a human space launch to occur in 2018.

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Le TsSKB Progress a aussi planché sur "Vostochny"

In TsSKB-Progress "was held scientific and technical advice for the protection of materials conceptual design on the cosmodrom"Eastern"
:: 16.06.2010

In TsSKB-Progress "was held scientific and technical advice for the Protection of materials conceptual design on the" Baikonur "East".
The meeting was attended by leaders and specialists of Russian companies-subcontractors for promising projects "Space Rocket Complex middle-class high-capacity next-generation spaceport" East ".
The purpose of the meeting was to review draft design of materials. Presentations on the current status of works made by partners TsSKB-Progress ": OAO" RKK "Energy", OAO "Makeyev State Rocket Center" and representatives of related companies - NGO "Automatic", Federal State Unitary Enterprise "NPC AP", NPO Energomash, Federal State Unitary Enterprise " TsENKI "FCC" SIC RCP ", Federal State Unitary Enterprise" Design Bureau "Spectrum".
Following the meeting decided to submit a preliminary design for expertise in leading research institutes and industry customer.

http://www.roscosmos.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=11175

Et la version anglaise Roscosmos:

A meeting of scientific board took place at TSKB Progress. Representatives of the industry cooperation got together to discuss draft design of the advanced heavy-lift rocket carrier intended for launches from the new Vostochny space port.
Next step is to submit the design for expert assessment to Roscosmos and leading institutes of the industry.

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La réunion publique sur le projet "Vostochny" s'est tenue en présence d'une centaine de personnes. On y apprend que la construction devrait commencer en 2012 et même fin 2011 pour les voies de communication. Un projet qui devrait coûter autour de 4 milliards de roubles au total. Cette année ce sont 400 millions de roubles qui seront consacrés à ce projet. Le cosmodrome fera 610 kilomètres carrés, soit beaucoup moins que Baïkonour. La volonté est de faire un cosmodrome compacte.

Les problèmes d'environnement ont été soulevés avec la mise en valeur du fait que, comme à Plesetsk, les zones réservées au cosmodrome représentent une réserve naturelle en raison des restrictions d'accès comme à Cap Kennedy.

In the Amur region held public hearings on the creation of the cosmodrome "Eastern"
:: 17.06.2010

Today, June 17, BUT Uglegorsk held public hearings. Specialists Space Agency, the leading design organizations of the country, numerous experts, environmentalists, representatives of regional authorities, the public discussed issues related to the creation of the cosmodrome in the Amur region "East". The discussion was attended by residents of Uglegorsk, Svobodnenskogo and Szymanowski areas. In total, the event brought together more than 100 people.

The hearings examined several issues. This proposal in the draft federal target program "Development of Russian space centers; sub-project" Establishment of providing infrastructure spaceport "Eastern"; materials assessing the impact on the environment during testing and operation of perspective launch vehicle; transfer of land in the category of "Land of industry, energy, transport, communications, radio broadcasting, television, computer science, earth for space activities and others. "
Minister for the construction of the cosmodrome "Eastern" Constantine Chmarov noted that public hearings - a very important event. In the history of Russian space exploration for the first time before the construction of Spaceport held an open discussion with the public. "We create" Oriental "on the principles of ecological security. This is the only spaceport in the country, which provides non-toxic propellants. In addition, there is no nuclear component. All this is already decided at the design stage. Dialogue with the public is based on complete openness. This is a professional conversation, where there should be no speculation and confusion. People have the opportunity to come and ask all your questions ", - said Konstantin Chmarov.
The hearing came a few hours. During this time, participants were presented with a number of very detailed reports. On stage, goals and objectives of the establishment of "East", about what technical equipment will be used on a new launch site, launch vehicle and spacecraft residents told members of Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Center of space infrastructure, JSC IPROMASHPROM, Central Research Institute for Machine Building, Russian Space Agency and other agencies. All performances are clearly accompanied by multimedia support.
The representative of the head of the design company - JSC "IPROMASHPROM" noted that currently in the development of project documentation. This year, part of the work scheduled to finish and send the documents together with the results of survey work on providing facilities (roads, railways, mitochondrial structures, objects, the main industrial zone) for examination.
"This year, the funding of these works is 408 million rubles. The total amount foreseen for the entire project development, is more than 4 billion rubles. Area Spaceport "East" - about 610 square kilometers. This is much smaller than the "Baikonur". However, our task is to make spaceport compact and technologically capable to perform a number of important tasks, "- said Deputy Chief Engineer of OAO IPROMASHPROM" Alexei Kuznetsov.
Vadim Mitin, Deputy Head of launch vehicles Space Agency said that construction would begin in 2012. However, the construction of linear facilities planned for the end of 2011, once approved by the federal target program "Development of the Russian cosmodrome. She is now pending before the Finance Ministry, Federal Space Agency and the Ministry of Economic Development. All the preparatory work carried out in accordance with the plan. "We try to create a compact, modern, technologically and environmentally friendly spaceport" - said Vadim Mitin.
Presentations were also made by representatives of the scientific community. Leading Researcher of Central Research Institute for Machine Building Valery Kliushnikov gave details about the technologies that will be applied at the launch site "Eastern". According to the scientist, in the rocket fuel - hydrogen, oxygen and kerosene. Provisional title of this fuel - "Nafta. During combustion of the components in the atmosphere of water is formed, molecular hydrogen, carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide gases. But all this is distributed over the entire flight path and to the lower layers of the atmosphere almost nothing comes. "The impact with the launch of space vehicles on the ozone layer is negligible. This is confirmed by research. Ozone recovery in start-up carrier rocket takes place within 15-20 minutes. The contribution of a single run on the destruction of the layer is less than 0,001%. In addition, the rocket is moving at an angle, resulting in a kind of sloping tunnel, the probability of falling into a biologically active part of the ultraviolet radiation is very low. That is no environmental threat, the spaceport did not represented. On the contrary, paradoxically it may sound, will benefit for the environment. In organizing the Baikonur alienated a very large part of the territory, the land to which access is restricted. With this in an area "Plesetsk", for example, have survived these types of plants and animals, which are no longer in the surrounding areas. This is a general trend, as in Cape Canaveral, where the run "Shuttle has long been working nature reserve", - said Valeriy Kliushnikov.
Public hearings are planned in those areas that are planned under the anticipated impact areas of spent rocket stages.

In the Amur region to the end of the year will be a roundtable discussion on the establishment of Spaceport "East". This event was organized in autumn 2009 with the participation of a wide range of specialists.

Press Service of the Government of the Amur Region

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Les autorités locales semblent satisfaites des réunions menées sur le futur cosmodrome Vostochny.

Today in the Amur Government summed up the visit of a workers' delegation , the project of building Spaceport " East ". Most of the meeting was held behind closed doors - journalists allowed to attend only the first 10 minutes . As already reported " AmurPolit.ru " experts " Russian Space Agency , Spetsstroy Russia, the general designer of the future spaceport OAO Ipromashprom and other organizations working in the field from 16 June . June 17 , they participated in public hearings in Uglegorsk , which discussed the influence of "Eastern " on the environment.

According to the governor of Amur Oleg Kozhemyako , hearings were held at high level. All comments received at the hearing, considered , they are educated answers , - said the head of the field . - The hearings have demonstrated once again that the ratio of the population of Amur region to build a spaceport on the whole positive ".

Oleg Kozhemyako emphasized that the design and survey work on the " East " Federal agencies have conducted together with experts Amur organizations . "We are always concerned by the question - will amurchane participate in building the spaceport . We see that even the design and survey works are conducted by our organizations . This is the correct approach - our experts, of course, better knowledge of local peculiarities . And I am sure that their tasks will decide wisely and accurately " , - said the governor .

Deputy Head of launch vehicles Roskosmos Vadim Mitin also satisfied with the hearings have passed . " Public hearings have shown that the issues of environmental safety concern to the majority of people living in the Amur region. Our specialists, experts , environmentalists have tried to detail and is available to clarify that nri creating high-tech , modern Baikonur launch vehicles will be used in an environmentally safe fuel, such as hydrogen, oxygen, kerosene, - He said . - We do not see a backlash of public Amur region . And , once again, noted the willingness of the region to participate actively in the construction of the cosmodrome .

According to him , while the integrated group in the Amur region managed to finally determine the necessary actions and documents for land allocation for construction of " East " . " In the near future Roskosmos submit a request for transfer of forest land in the land for industrial use . Hope that this transfer will be completed as soon as possible , " - Said Vadim Mitin .

The next visit of the Russian Space Agency experts and other organizations is scheduled for the autumn . At this time in the Amur region must undergo a round table on the cosmodrome "East " with the participation of public organizations .
http://www.amurpolit.ru/28/econom/tek/id_188927.html

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Encore quelques infos sur les réunions tenues à Uglegorsk:

Space Odyssey
:: 24.06.2010

The Moscow delegation , discusses the construction of Spaceport East , returned from Blagoveschensk to Moscow. Almost a week and other representatives of the Russian Space Agency engaged in the project implementation agencies held a series of meetings with regional government officials and heads of cities and regions that affect the " construction of the century ".
Results of stay in the complex of the working group were reviewed at a meeting with the governor Oleg Kozhemyako .

"The high level of public hearings " and "professional , competent answers specialists " said Oleg Kozhemyako first . Regional authorities noted that during public hearings on the construction of Spaceport were taken into account all the wishes of ordinary amurchan , the majority of their questions were answered .

Also, the Governor stressed that the work on the design of objects Baikonur participate Amur design and survey organizations .

- Open position Roskosmos foster a positive attitude to space activities in the region, being frank with the public will continue in the autumn as part of the "round table " , - said Oleg Kozhemyako . - Nice that the work was carried out jointly with local experts - this is the correct approach, which enables them to be more popular . Especially since they , like anybody, they know local conditions. I'm sure the specialists assigned to the Amur problem will be solved correctly and accurately .

Deputy Head of launch vehicles Roskosmos Vadim Mitin said that at the stage of design research his office has tried to maximize the potential of the Amur region for the design of linear objects .

Today, for them and for technological platforms have already finalized the necessary arrangements for allotment of land and registration of documents. In the near future Roskosmos send a request to the management of forest area for transfer of forest land to industrial land .

- I hope that with your and our experts this translation will be done in the shortest period - expressed confidence Vadim Mitin . - We welcome the holding of public hearings, which have shown that the issues of environmental safety concern to the majority amurchan . We have not seen any negative reaction from the public and once again noted the interest of the public in these matters, the willingness to take an active part in the project .

The experts tried to detail and is available to explain that modern high-tech launch site , using environmentally friendly fuels environmental impact will be minimal .

- In general I am satisfied with the results of the work - told the AP chief of the Environment Division of Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Center for operation of ground space infrastructure " Vitaly Sambros . - And the organization of normal , and we had little own "dark places ". We used extensive current experience, and, in addition , customers have laid the environmental requirements in the specification .

At the public hearing amurchan interested in the construction of sewage treatment plants in the future, a residential town , the operation of the fire station , providing the builders and the local population vegetables , the issues of land being transferred .

One of the major points of discussion was the impact of objects Baikonur East on the environment. This issue was voiced Amur ecologist Peter Osipov . Russian Space Agency experts are confident that the spaceport is not a danger greater than any medium industrial enterprises.

- Based on the analysis of the impact of existing launch sites , construction and operation of the cosmodrome on those parameters , which are incorporated , does not pose any environmental threat. Missiles will run on kerosene - is virtually harmless fuel - said doctor of biological sciences , professor , Institute of Water and Environmental Problems SB RAS Alexander Puzanov .

The estimated frequency of launches from the East in the first phase of its operation - up to 4-5 times a year. For comparison : Now the number of launches rocket " Proton " annual rate of 11-12 launches . Moreover, because of the aging of the active existence of space objects will be the pace starts to decline , experts believe .

- When we talk about environmental hazards , we mean permanent changes in the environment . Here, this will not be. There will be only local effects , which are mainly connected with the land area of the fall . However, given that there will be ecological services these areas , to talk about that rocket is a danger to the environment, can not , - said a leading researcher FGUP TsNIIMash Valery Kliushnikov .

Facing East will be a booster of a new generation of "Rus -M. It is the protection of its conceptual project. The fuel " Rus - M will use oxygen , hydrogen and naphtha - a kind of kerosene. Middle-class high- capacity rocket will be able to place in orbit of 20 tonnes of payload. Such carriers will be used in the first launcher launch complex , which will earn 2015 . Products of combustion of fuel in the area towards the rocket from the ground surface to an altitude of five kilometers to 80% will consist of carbon dioxide and 20% - from the water .

Oleg Kozhemyako , the governor of Amur region :

- Value of the project for the Amur Region in general not be overemphasized - there will develop innovative technology , created thousands of new jobs. Of course , this is the locomotive that pulls the whole economy and the Far East Amur region . This tax deductions , and additional power consumption and highly qualified specialists , and other factors that will enable our region to develop.

http://www.ampravda.ru/2010/06/22/026262.html

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Au forum "A strong Russia - 2010" V Remichevski a développé les raisons fondamentales de construire le cosmodrome "Vostochny". Il s'agit de maintenir et développer le statut de la Russie en matière spatiale, de moderniser son industrie, de donner à la Russie un cosmodrome sur son sol national et d'assurer la présence russe en extrême-orient.

Business circles of Russia took the space activities of the summit " strong Russia -2010 "
:: 25.06.2010

As we already reported, in Moscow today at the Grand Palace State Museum - Reserve Tsaritsyno summit takes place business " A strong Russia - 2010 ". At the ceremonial opening of the summit on behalf of the Federal Space Agency and the employees the space industry meeting participants welcomed the Deputy Head of Federal Space Agency VP Remishevsky .

"The most important condition determining Russia as a modern state - said Victor P. Remishevsky - is to maintain its status of one of the leading space powers of the world and further development of its space capabilities. For the Russian Federation by virtue of its complex federal system , vast areas of settlement and economic activity , targeted integration of space technology and services into economic turnover is becoming more and more important , especially for the implementation of the tasks of modernization of the economy.

Currently, in accordance with the policy framework of the Russian Federation in the field of space activities for the period up to 2020 and Beyond " , which were approved by the President of the Russian Federation, April 24, 2008 begins a new phase of space activity. In the process of its implementation will be achieved : the creation , filling and maintaining the necessary structure orbiting spacecraft groupings to the characteristics of a world-class to provide the required quantity and quality of service navigation, communications , broadcasting and remote sensing . This year, Russia will create a space segment of GLONASS, and we plan to implement in September and December, two more start-up and thus will ensure that a truly global system.

Of no small importance of space technology in the full information support of rescue services and the implementation of other areas of space activities for the socio-economic areas of the country , including the development of space resources for basic scientific research , implementation of the manned space flight - the priority in which belongs to Russia . And all this will be carried out using spacecraft and space means a new type.

This phase is closely linked with the creation of a new Russian cosmodrome . Construction and operation of the "East" , endowed with a special status of national importance , consistent with the priorities approved by the government , and the spaceport will be one of the most important centers of the dynamic development of the Far Eastern region.

Currently, public institutions of Russian society and clearly understand that without a new launch site to talk about an independent space of Russia , its equal participation in international space projects of the future is not possible. In addition to the factors that are formed through the creation of Spaceport conditions for further development of space activities and the positive conditions for the development of the country , international experience suggests the feasibility of launch sites and also to improve sustainability performance and survivability of space infrastructure of the state.

The project creation and further use of the cosmodrome East raised to an entirely new level , the industrial development of the Far East region as a whole and , especially , the Amur region, which is to create an economically strong regional system with adequate capacity of foreign economic activity on the border with China developing and allow the Far East Region act as an equal partner in the interaction with other countries in South - East Asia .

High-tech production, necessary in support of the functioning of modern spaceport will require, on the one hand, the influx of highly skilled professionals, and on the other hand , long-term this megaproject would raise the activity of the local population , the development of science, technology and education, based on the development of the most advanced branches of science and technology .

It is impossible not to draw your attention to another equally important aspect of the problem creating the cosmodrome , which is in its uniqueness as a major innovation project of the Russian Federation .

This is due to the following :

1 . The new cosmodrome in Russia today is first created , and its ideology is based on Russian design and technology in the space sphere , as well as new technology in other areas of the economy. At the same time in modern times, the Russian enterprises and organizations are a good school of international experience in such projects as the " Union of CSG , the establishment of the Korean launch system , " Sea Launch "," Land Launch " . That is , at present there is a unique opportunity to give effect to the cause of the alloy of contemporary experience and new technological and design solutions.

2 . The project is a launch site is a significant range of innovations . That means breeding new generation , and promising a manned spacecraft, and develop new space systems and space infrastructure systems , and to engage in the creative process of regional scientific and technical complexes.

3 . Creating Vostochny is an extremely important nature of the conditions for the formation of national security space activities not only in the broadest sense of the nature of this activity , but also crucial for the country towards a strong Far East.

Already no one left in no doubt that the future of Russia's space activity will be determined by how well we finish this mega-project ", - concluded by the Deputy Head of Federal Space Agency VP Remishevsky .

After the grand opening of the summit , a plenary session entitled : " The state and business: an open dialogue . " In the plenary hall of the Bolshoi in the Tauride Palace under the direction of the Assistant Head of Presidential Administration , Head of the Interdepartmental Working Group on innovative legislation under the Administration of President of Russia EV Popova, hosted a discussion entitled "Strategic planning for regional development - the path to innovation economy . " The discussion was attended by representatives of Federal Space Agency , Director General of Federal State Unitary Enterprise "TsNIIMash " GG Raykunov , Minister of the Amur region on the construction of the cosmodrome " East " KV Chmarov and others .

Tonight Summit business "A strong Russia - 2010 " will complete its work .

http://www.roscosmos.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=11327

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Quels personnalités rassemblaient ce sommet "Russie forte-2010" ?
Il n'y avait que des industriels ?

Apparemment il y a une forte volonté de moderniser leur installations et équipements : la construction de ce nouveau site de lancement rentre dans ce cadre.
d'après ton lien patchfree :
"Немаловажное значение имеют космические технологии в полномасштабном информационном обеспечении служб спасания и реализации других направлений космической деятельности в интересах социально-экономического сферы страны, включая развитие космических средств для фундаментальных научных исследований, осуществления пилотируемых полетов – приоритет в которых принадлежит России. И все это будет осуществляться с использованием космических кораблей и космических средств нового типа."
Sans minimiser le soutien à l'information complète de services de secours et la mise en œuvre d'autres domaines des activités spatiales dans les domaines socio-économique du pays , y compris le développement des ressources de l'espace pour la recherche scientifique de base, la mise en œuvre du vol spatial habité - est une priorité qui appartient à la Russie . Et tout cela sera effectué en utilisant les satellites et l'espace, c'est un nouveau type .
Le spatial habité a encore de beau jours devant lui ... :)

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La France impliquée dans la construction de Vostochny? C'est la proposition faite à l'ambassadeur de France en visite à Kahabarovsk.

Plenipotentiary Ishayev called construction Baikonur East among the prospects in cooperation with France
:: 05.07.2010
RF Presidential Plenipotentiary in the Far Eastern Federal District Viktor Andshaev invited to consider the involvement of France in the project of construction of the cosmodrome in the Amur region East .
"If there is interest, then we can talk and work . With regard to the Far East, then we have a lot of topics for joint cooperation, among others - is the construction of the cosmodrome in the Amur region. Cooperation between Russia and France depends on many instruments - from space exploration to its joint development ", - said V. Ishaev during a meeting with French Ambassador to Russia Jean de Gliniasti Monday .
The Ambassador inquired whether the house any tenders for participation in the construction of the cosmodrome to foreign countries. He noted the political importance of addressing the construction of launch site is on Russian territory. "I was not Baikonur in Kazakhstan , there is the political vulnerability " , - said ambassador.
"I see the prospects for cooperation not only in the construction of the spaceport, but also in transport , logistics , public services , it is in these directions will worky ", - he added.
V. Ishaev noted that the Far East, an active demand products from France. In this regard , he suggested that the French side to locate production in the region.
The official French delegation arrived in Khabarovsk on Monday . The main purpose of the visit - acquaintance with the scientific, technical , trade - economic and cultural potential of the Khabarovsk Krai . The delegation - the heads of major French companies in the field of aviation , logistics , rail transport , banking and engineering .
Construction Program cosmodrome in the Amur region of East approved by the Government of the Russian Federation .
Construction of the East will enable Russia to carry out an independent space policy across the entire spectrum of tasks and keep her status a leading space power.

http://www.federalspace.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=11475

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Et... ?? :scratch:
il y a une anguille sous roche que j'ai pas vu ?
Que signifient ses avances... et quels sont nos intérêts ?

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Au forum "A strong Russia - 2010" V Remichevski a développé les raisons fondamentales de construire le cosmodrome "Vostochny". Il s'agit de maintenir et développer le statut de la Russie en matière spatiale, de moderniser son industrie, de donner à la Russie un cosmodrome sur son sol national et d'assurer la présence russe en extrême-orient.

http://www.roscosmos.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=11327

Mais comment mi 2010 peut on encore expliquer qu'il y a de bonnes raisons de se lancer dans la construction de Vostochny !
Y en -t-il de mauvaises ?
Y a -t-il encore un risque d'annuler ce chantier qui n'est pas encore lancé pratiquement (prems coup de pelle) ?

Je trouve ces discours russes ambigus !

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Au forum "A strong Russia - 2010" V Remichevski a développé les raisons fondamentales de construire le cosmodrome "Vostochny". Il s'agit de maintenir et développer le statut de la Russie en matière spatiale, de moderniser son industrie, de donner à la Russie un cosmodrome sur son sol national et d'assurer la présence russe en extrême-orient.

http://www.roscosmos.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=11327

Mais comment mi 2010 peut on encore expliquer qu'il y a de bonnes raisons de se lancer dans la construction de Vostochny !
Y en -t-il de mauvaises ?
Y a -t-il encore un risque d'annuler ce chantier qui n'est pas encore lancé pratiquement (prems coup de pelle) ?

Je trouve ces discours russes ambigus !

Politique, Monsieur!

Rappelons que si le principe du cosmodrome est acquis il faut encore qu'il soit financé! Donc Roscosmos ne perd aucune occasion de rappeler aux décideurs que Vostochny entre bien dans la politique de modernisation de l'économie russe dont on parle tant en ce moment dans les média russes.

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On parlait de financement...Eh bien justement la question du financement du projet de Cosmodrome Vostochny a été repoussée à plus tard. Perminov qui a rencontré le ministre des finances Koudrine en a fait l'annonce ce jeudi en indiquant que la décision serait prise par les plus hautes instances du pays.

MOSCOU, 8 juillet - RIA Novosti

Le montant des fonds qui seront affectés à la construction du cosmodrome Vostotchny, dans l'Extrême-Orient russe, sera décidé par les plus hauts responsables du pays, a annoncé jeudi à RIA Novosti le président de l'Agence spatiale russe (Roskosmos) Anatoli Perminov.

"La question du financement des travaux a été reportée à une date ultérieure. Selon toute probabilité, elle sera examinée par les dirigeants supérieurs du pays", a-t-il déclaré à l'issue d'une rencontre avec le ministre des Finances Alexeï Koudrine.

Le cosmodrome Vostotchny sera aménagé en plusieurs étapes. Il a été prévu d'effectuer d'ici 2011 l'ensemble des travaux géotechniques et d'entamer la mise en place des aires de lancement. Le premier vol automatique (sans pilote) a été fixé à 2015 et le lancement d'un vaisseau piloté à 2018. Le cosmodrome sera opérationnel pour les vols réguliers à partir de 2020.

La construction de ce centre spatial permettrait de renoncer progressivement au cosmodrome de Baïkonour qui appartient aujourd'hui au Kazakhstan. A l'heure actuelle, c'est le principal site spatial utilisé par la Russie.

Cette dernière possède actuellement trois sites spatiaux nationaux: le cosmodrome de Plessetsk (région d'Arkhangelsk) et les polygones de tir de Kapoustine Iar (Volga) et de Dombarovski (Oural). Cependant, aucun d'entre eux n'est pour le moment en mesure de supplanter le cosmodrome de Baïkonour.

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Le cosmodrome Vostochny sera totalement différent de Baïkonour. Il y aura qu'un seul type de pad de lancement mais en double exemplaire mais c'est la seule ressemblance avec Baïkonour. Pas de systèmes et d'infrastructures géantes. Il n'y en a pas besoin. Et Perminov de déclarer que la Russie a maintenant l'expérience de ce nouveau type de "port de l'espace", compact, avec le pad de lancement Soyouz à Kourou.

Odintsovo (Moscow Region ), July 8 - RIA Novosti. Just two starting complex under the launches of carrier rockets of the same type will be built on the new Russian cosmodrome East , told RIA Novosti on Thursday the head of Federal Space Agency Anatoly Perminov .

" The project we will build two parallel start - left and right , in order to always have a reserve " , - said Perminov .

The head of Russian Space Agency said the example of Baikonur , which requires the parallel construction of two launch complexes.

Currently, the load on the " Gagarin Launch " , according to Perminov, the colossal : there always are run and manned Soyuz, and cargo spacecraft "Progress "in connection with the obligations of Federal Space Agency on a permanent stay on the ISS six people. After the decommissioning of U.S. shuttle load of this start to increase substantially .

"So we now use the mandatory 31- th launch pad , and expect that in the future, at least , be able to separate manned and cargo launches. The same is true for the " East ": to ensure the stability of the program would launch two start " - said the head of Russian Space Agency .

However, as noted Perminov , on its infrastructure , type of construction and the inputs spaceport East will be fundamentally different from Baikonur .

"The word" spaceport " conjures even people familiar association with some large areas and facilities , as it is in Baikonur. On the " East " everything will be different: no one is going to spend huge amounts of money and build huge structures - it is not necessary. We have experience in construction in French Guiana at Kourou : a new approach , and such technologies Russia has now ", - concluded the head of Russian Space Agency .

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Nous sommes mi 2010, et le machin n'est même pas financé !
Pas encore d'achat des terrains !
Pas de premier coup de pioche !
A ce stade on pourrait aussi bien siffler la fin de partie que de commencer les travaux !

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Ca y est Vostochny va être financé par l'Etat russe:

I would like to inform you and tell the good news . Late last night , at night or in fact , one might say , early in the morning , the Government decided to allocate for this purpose to start building a full-scale launch site "Eastern " 24.7 billion rubles for the next three years

There is planned to build a large number of objects . This is the launch pad, and an airfield (bandwidth required ) , and the plant ( you know, that he must make) . In general, this whole complex.

It is important that the new spaceport will service virtually all future space projects , including manned transportation systems , launch vehicles of the new generation and future planetary systems. In addition, construction and operation of the Eastern " have a positive effect on the development of industrial capacities of the Far Eastern region of our country , will significantly increase its investment attractiveness .

Poutine lors d'une rencontre avec les hauts responsables de l'espace sur le site d'Energia à Korolyov.

http://www.roscosmos.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=11700

Je pense que c'est une très bonne nouvelle pour tous les fans de l'espace: malgré tous les aléas à venir, un nouveau cosmodrome va naître...

Voici la discussion entre Poutine, Perminov et Ivanov à propos de Vostochny [traduction automatique en anglais]:

Vladimir Putin: So, what are the objects at the launch site "East " to be built ?

Perminov : This is a launch site. The left and right starts and all the technology , which will run on the left and right starts .

Vladimir Putin : The runway airport ...

Perminov : That's right, the runway airfield .

Vladimir Putin: The Factory of oxygen - nitrogen mixture .

Perminov : Since we will be using hydrogen level , it means that the hydrogen plant should be.

Sergei Ivanov : Two assembly and test ...

Perminov : This is the technique , which is by far the best . Where Russia occupies a leading position , we keep it.

Vladimir Putin : roads, railways ...

Perminov : Roads , railways , highways .

Vladimir Putin : How many people are there, presumably , will it work?

Perminov : We now have extensive experience in South America and South Korea. This year we are completing construction of the spaceport, in part we are concerned, "Soyuz- 2 " in Guyana .

And the finished building , there were two launch in South Korea. In practice the experience and the forces due to your decision to be able to implement - all the best world-class technology - to build a new cosmodrome .

Of course , it would not be a huge number of objects that were previously built in the Soviet Union at the Baikonur Cosmodrome . This is not required . It will be compact, of course, less expensive , less expensive ...

Vladimir Putin : ... but a modern technologically complex.

Perminov : Absolutely . Plus, social infrastructure, residential town with all the necessary buildings and facilities.

Vladimir Putin: How much do you think people will be working on construction of these facilities ? And then how many people will run around in the complex ?

Perminov : Based on experience , will run from 5 to 12 thousand people - is directly on the building, and, of course, they will vary depending on the tasks performed. From time to time will be a maximum of 30 thousand people .

Sergei Ivanov : Vladimir Vladimirovich , there is still chose a place very well. Here is the railroad , and this year delivered a grand way to Chita - Khabarovsk, which goes straight past the launch site . And in terms of capital investment in infrastructure , besides the airport , we do not need more traffic .

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Poutine à visité le site où sera construit le cosmodrome Vostochny.

traduction automatique:

Premier ministre de Russie Vladimir Poutine a ouvert un signe commémoratif sur l'initiation de la construction du cosmodrome de "l'Est"
:: 28/08/2010

Premier ministre de Russie Vladimir Poutine est allé le 28 août sa visite de travail à la région de l'Amour. En voiture Lada Kalina "Il est arrivé sur le site de la Commission géologique travaux pour la construction du Centre national russe spatiale" Est ", où le premier ministre s'est entretenu avec le régime et l'aménagement d'un port spatial de l'avenir.

Chef de l'Agence spatiale fédérale Anatoly Perminov a déclaré le chef du gouvernement, qui au cosmodrome est prévu de construire deux lanceurs, l'infrastructure pour la préparation de missiles à lancement du logement. En outre, nous concevons un forfait spécial pour la formation des astronautes et pour un examen médical. Il a souligné que l'importance accordée à la construction de la piste.

Après avoir inspecté les frontières d'un port spatial de l'avenir, M. Poutine a conseillé d'accord pour allouer des terres pour une réserve afin, disait-il, "alors pas de problème. Perminov a déclaré le centre spatial "Est", équipé de la technologie moderne, occupera une zone de dix fois moins que le "Baïkonour", et trois fois moins que le "Plesetsk".

Le Premier ministre a souligné que, dans le port spatial devrait ouvrir 150 km de lignes ferroviaires et les chemins de terre même. Quant à l'énergie, cet objet, en raison de lancer une proximité Bureyskaya HPS, sera la fourniture d'énergie la plus puissante.

Puis Vladimir Poutine a ouvert un signe commémoratif sur l'initiation de la construction du cosmodrome. La stèle de granit inscription: «Ici, sera construit le port spatial. Chef du gouvernement personnellement tiré le drap blanc avec une stèle en pierre. En tapant sur la plaque, Poutine a déclaré: «Songez que commencer!"

http://www.roscosmos.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=12273

[montmein69]

Quant à l'énergie, cet objet, en raison de lancer une proximité Bureyskaya HPS, sera la fourniture d'énergie la plus puissante.

C'est une centrale électrique ? classique ? nucléaire ?

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Quant à l'énergie, cet objet, en raison de lancer une proximité Bureyskaya HPS, sera la fourniture d'énergie la plus puissante.

C'est une centrale électrique ? classique ? nucléaire ?

C'est une centrale classique. Le cosmodrome est prévu pour une consommation globale de 100 MW.

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11:44 28/08/2010
© RIA Novosti. Alexsey Druginyn
COSMODROME VOSTOTCHNY (région de l'Amour), 28 août - RIA Novosti

Son propre cosmodrome moderne assurera à la Russie une indépendance absolue dans ses activités spatiales et renforcera ses positions de leader mondial dans le domaine technologique, a déclaré samedi le premier ministre russe Vladimir Poutine.

"C'est déjà en 2005 que nous avons commencé à parler de la nécessité de construire un tel cosmodrome national. Suite à l'éclatement de l'Union Soviétique, son cosmodrome est resté sur le territoire du Kazakhstan ami (à Baïkonour)", a rappelé le chef du gouvernement lors d'une réunion sur le chantier du cosmodrome Vostotchny, dans la région de l'Amour (Extrême-Orient).

Selon M.Poutine, la construction d'un cosmodrome moderne en Extrême-Orient figure parmi les projets les plus ambitieux de la Russie contemporaine qui donnera également une puissante impulsion au développement de cette région.

A présent, la Russie lance l'essentiel des satellites russes et étrangers depuis le cosmodrome de Baïkonour, au Kazakhstan voisin. Avec la construction du cosmodrome Vostotchny, la Russie va se doter d'un nouveau pas de tir dans le cadre de ses efforts pour rester compétitive sur le marché des lancements de satellites.

Le nouveau cosmodrome est censé entrer en service en 2015 pour vols automatiques, lancements de satellites, envoi de cargos spatiaux avec des éléments de la Station spatiale internationale (ISS) à bord. Et trois ans plus tard pour vols habités. Il permettra d'assurer les intérêts nationaux russes dans l'espace et de renforcer sérieusement les positions de la Russie sur le marché global des services spatiaux.

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Quelques photos supplémentaires de la visite de Poutine au futur Cosmodrome Vostochny:

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Pour ceux que le sujet intéresse voici une traduction automatique en anglais d'un article de "Téléport" qui étudie le cas "vostochny". Entre réalité et fantasy...voire fantasme... Au programme un "Cosmoland" ?

admin steph : long article en anglais retiré

http://teleport2001.ru/news/2010/09/22/5963

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Deux évènements dans la saga qui commence de la construction de Vostochny: une visite du Chef du Conseil de Sécurité russe et une réunion avec plein d'institutions et sociétés concernant les situations d'urgence en rapport avec les activités spatiales avec comme exemple le cosmodrome de Vostochny.

Directement intéressant pour nous cette image des cartes locales où l'on voit le tracé des trajectoires de lancement avec, pour celui qui sera le plus utilisé le passage au-dessus de Sakhaline et les zones de retombée des élément de la fusée (avec aussi l'emplacement du site de lancement ainsi que de l'éventuel second pad):



http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7214&start=3225
http://www.federalspace.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=12732
http://www.ampravda.ru/2010/09/24/027455.html

[Invité]

Je reprécise pour la énième fois qu'il est inutile de poster un pavé aussi long traduit automatiquement.
Autant poster le lien direct vers l'article, comme c'est d'ailleurs fait, et un cours résumé en français. Ensuite les gens pourront éventuellement approfondir en utilisant un traducteur en ligne si nécessaire.

https://www.forum-conquete-spatiale.fr/actualite-du-forum-reglement-et-suggestions-f2/concernant-l-emploi-du-francais-et-les-articles-etrangers-t10492.htm

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Pour ceux que le sujet intéresse voici une traduction automatique en anglais d'un article de "Téléport" qui étudie le cas "vostochny". Entre réalité et fantasy...voire fantasme... Au programme un "Cosmoland" ?

admin steph : long article en anglais retiré

http://teleport2001.ru/news/2010/09/22/5963

Comme expliqué ailleurs je ne suis pas d'accord avec cela! Pourquoi obliger les gens à refaire tout le chemin de suivre les liens? En quoi cela gène qu'il y ait sur ce forum des posts dans d'autres langues? C'est quoi cet autoritarisme? Le fait d'exclure ces posts ne renforce pas la défense de la langue française mais donne une image d'une langue qui se referme sur elle-même, une vision étriquée du monde et de sa diversité.

Je continue à penser qu'une traduction automatique c'est mieux qu'un texte en russe que rare sont ceux qui le comprennent. Quant au choix de la langue traduite de destination mon expérience montre qu'on comprend dix fois mieux lorsque le russe est traduit en anglais qu'en français, sans doute parce que le traducteur est de meilleur qualité.

Enfin je pense qu'un forum est un lieu de liberté et que la compétence d'un modérateur ne se mesure pas aux nombre de morceaux de post qu'il a censuré mais à l'envie qui est donnée aux intervenants d'écrire des posts. Et de ce point de vue je suis parfois découragé par ces modifications de posts.

Mais bien sûr ce n'est que mon point de vue que je tenais à exprimer clairement.

[tatiana13]

j'aime mieux lire en français les actualités spatiales mais c'est vrai que les données d'origine sont également importantes

donc il faut trouver le juste compromis

[nikolai39]

Je comprends totalement que l'intervention de Steph puisse déplaire, mais il faut bien comprendre que si l'équipe de modération et d'administration du forum en vient à de tels procédés, c'est parce qu'il y a des plaintes qui remontent vers nous.

Les messages de Patch, en terme de qualité, tirent le forum vers le haut. Il est donc dommage de les gâcher en rajoutant des immenses traductions automatiques qui "défigurent" des pages du forum, de l'avis de nombreux membres.

Je suggère d'utiliser davantage la fonction "spoiler" (disponible en haut à droite, dans le bouton "autres"). Elle permet de citer les originaux des articles en langue étrangère sans transformer le FCS en un forum US ou russe.

Mais pour ce qui est des traductions automatiques, elles sont définitivement à bannir, de l'avis de nombreux membres, dont moi.